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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 3, 2007 20:03:39 GMT -5
Houston needed a PF that was locked up under a reasonable contract, and didn't want to lose Nocioni in FA for nothing. I had Haslem, but didn't want to trade him for someone I'd lose in the summer. I couldn't take on any more players and this is the only way we could get a deal done. He had a 1st round pick that wouldn't be in the lottery and I had a 2nd round pick that we could swap. I agree Nocioni is a little better, but Haslem fits his team better and his better for his team's future. Nocioni is a restricted free agent, so he wouldnt be losing anything if he wants to pay him. So talent wise, i really think Nocioni is better then haslem. Dont get me wrong, Haslem is a workhorse inside, but i dont think the first round pick should be in there and justified for it. A 1st round pick is a 1st round pick, and whether its in the lottery doesnt really matter since you will be surpirised how much that 1st round pick will be worth once draft day comes. I really think Nocioni is gonna be a great player in the future and possibly an all star, where as Haslem will be just a solid role player at best that does the little things to help his team win. Nocioni is already 27, he's at his prime right now, he is in the same boat as Haslem - a really good role player. I like him just as much as the next guy, but I don't think he will ever make it to the All Star Game. I'd rank Hinrich, Gordon, and maybe even Deng and Wallace, before Nocioni. |
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Feb 3, 2007 20:04:49 GMT -5
Aslo when you think about it I doubt CHI town will bring back Noicioni since they already have Tyrus Thomas who will be their future PF.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 3, 2007 20:05:02 GMT -5
actually he is and ive played with him before, and hes a 69 and haslem is a 70 I know he is in the game now, I said he isn't in the NBA anymore and most likely won't be in the next game. |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Feb 3, 2007 20:05:30 GMT -5
i dont think houston is backing out, rather then changing his mind. its not up to him, but to the committee whether the trade goes through He's trying to back out for sure, he keeps PMing me trying to change my mind and have me agree to back out. He even said he "obviously doesnt want to do this trade anymore" i meant he knows he cant back out, and wants it to get denied. you posted the rules like he was trying to back out like how we used to be able to do |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 3, 2007 20:06:55 GMT -5
Whatever, I'm leaving for the night. Hopefully this is worked out when I get back and Nocioni can suit up as a Spur.
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Post by Portland Trail Blazers on Feb 3, 2007 20:08:58 GMT -5
Nocioni is a restricted free agent, so he wouldnt be losing anything if he wants to pay him. So talent wise, i really think Nocioni is better then haslem. Dont get me wrong, Haslem is a workhorse inside, but i dont think the first round pick should be in there and justified for it. A 1st round pick is a 1st round pick, and whether its in the lottery doesnt really matter since you will be surpirised how much that 1st round pick will be worth once draft day comes. I really think Nocioni is gonna be a great player in the future and possibly an all star, where as Haslem will be just a solid role player at best that does the little things to help his team win. Nocioni is already 27, he's at his prime right now, he is in the same boat as Haslem - a really good role player. I like him just as much as the next guy, but I don't think he will ever make it to the All Star Game. I'd rank Hinrich, Gordon, and maybe even Deng and Wallace, before Nocioni. Well i think Nocioni has a better chance of being an All star compared to Haslem, since i dont see deng or gordon being bulls in the future. (Or at least i think one of them are gonna get shipped). Even you agreed that Nocioni is a little better, which is why i dont get why u get the 1st rounder. |
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Post by Houston Rockets on Feb 3, 2007 20:10:40 GMT -5
ok i dont want the trade to happen, but its not up to me anymore so can we stop the reasons on why or why it shouldnt go through and can we get it denied or accepted and move on
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 3, 2007 20:15:13 GMT -5
Well i think Nocioni has a better chance of being an All star compared to Haslem, since i dont see deng or gordon being bulls in the future. (Or at least i think one of them are gonna get shipped). Even you agreed that Nocioni is a little better, which is why i dont get why u get the 1st rounder. Because he's either going to be really expensive to keep (look at the money much worse people have received), or will walk, hurting my future, so I'd like to get something else (1st round) that helps my future. |
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 3, 2007 20:19:14 GMT -5
Well i think Nocioni has a better chance of being an All star compared to Haslem, since i dont see deng or gordon being bulls in the future. (Or at least i think one of them are gonna get shipped). Even you agreed that Nocioni is a little better, which is why i dont get why u get the 1st rounder. Because he's either going to be really expensive to keep (look at the money much worse people have received), or will walk, hurting my future, so I'd like to get something else (1st round) that helps my future. And the pick just so happens to be of the team with the 2nd worst record... which gives you a REALLY good chance of getting Durant or Oden. Just the pick alone isnt worth Haslem. |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Feb 3, 2007 20:20:31 GMT -5
houston is the 8th seed in the western conference right now i think
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 3, 2007 20:22:56 GMT -5
Because he's either going to be really expensive to keep (look at the money much worse people have received), or will walk, hurting my future, so I'd like to get something else (1st round) that helps my future. And the pick just so happens to be of the team with the 2nd worst record... which gives you a REALLY good chance of getting Durant or Oden. Just the pick alone isnt worth Haslem. Where did you get that? It is Houstons pick, and his team is currently in the playoffs. I think you just confused his pick with yours. |
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 3, 2007 20:24:09 GMT -5
Uhh Im confused.
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Post by Portland Trail Blazers on Feb 3, 2007 20:30:02 GMT -5
Well..there is something callled "standings" in the NBA. Standings go according to record. The highest record in each conference will be ranked higher in comparison to those with a bad record. Those with the worse records (by checking the standings) will have a better chance at grabbing the 1st overall pick in the draft. |
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Feb 3, 2007 20:39:41 GMT -5
Yea i was looking at last years lol
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Post by Portland Trail Blazers on Feb 3, 2007 21:06:38 GMT -5
well in your case salary cap shouldnt even matter.
Once james and wade become rfa's your offering them the max either way. Your not losing anything if you gain a player like Nocioni, since hes gonna be an rfa anyways and no1 can outbid you. No matter how much teams bid, im pretty sure your still gonna wanna sign him back.
I'll accept if the picks werent involved.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Feb 4, 2007 12:42:19 GMT -5
I think this trade is canceld because of unfairness if thats how u spell it, you need 3 gms to complete a trade and 2 of them said they didn't want this to happen. and the gm that is in the deal doesn't count
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Feb 4, 2007 15:02:02 GMT -5
the committee member in the deal does count...
i accepted it....so there needs to be one more Committee member to accept it...or one more to decline it...either way
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Feb 4, 2007 15:08:36 GMT -5
the committee member in the trade doesnt count. thats how its always been right?
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Feb 4, 2007 15:26:51 GMT -5
I think this trade is canceld because of unfairness if thats how u spell it, you need 3 gms to complete a trade and 2 of them said they didn't want this to happen. and the gm that is in the deal doesn't count Which 2 said they don't want it to happen? The committee member in the deal counts as 1/3 of the votes, and it has been that way for a long time now (not originally however). New Jersey and Denver still have to cast their vote. |
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Post by Houston Rockets on Feb 4, 2007 16:21:56 GMT -5
when i did my dallas deal i need 3 other CM to accept it and Portland and NJ said they wouldn't do it
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