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Jul 2, 2006 2:16:57 GMT -5
Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 2, 2006 2:16:57 GMT -5
well thats lovely... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) good thing for all those teams that have cap space!! whats the point of the salary cap?
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Jul 2, 2006 2:23:06 GMT -5
Post by twiens on Jul 2, 2006 2:23:06 GMT -5
Just go trade for a star with a huge contract, thats your only chance.....
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Jul 2, 2006 2:25:57 GMT -5
Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 2, 2006 2:25:57 GMT -5
haha, check out my team! i dont know who im trading for a star!! but i realize the situation i got myself into, but i thought w/ alot of cap room to spend, i could get a couple good players & build from there! Its cool though can somebody make me a sig w/ either OJ Mayo or Greg Oden?? Theyre gunna be the Franchise!!!!
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Jul 2, 2006 3:24:17 GMT -5
Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 2, 2006 3:24:17 GMT -5
Peja signs w/ the hornets! not the pacers the team he came from that made the playoffs!!! that could be the wizrads in this league, thats all im saying!!!!
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Jul 2, 2006 3:41:14 GMT -5
Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 2, 2006 3:41:14 GMT -5
I will repost this here, I put it under free agency system. I like this rule:
How about if a team is over the cap, or the deal will take them over the cap, then they are not allowed to give their OWN players the max? Something like this:
Toronto Raptors have a cap of $52,000,000. His own unrestricted free agent, Peja Stojakovic is a hot target. With our current rule the Raptors would be allowed to exceed the salary cap to resign Peja, but would not be allowed to pursue other free agents. My suggestion is Toronto would not be allowed to exceed the cap to resign his own restricted free agent, meaning the highest offer he could give for Peja would be only $8,000,000. It may seem unfair or whatever, but it gives the cap an identity and something special to have. The teams over the cap, like myself, could not resign our own UFA unless we use our MLE, which is maxed at 5.1 mil. So basically, the only way you can sign your own UFA is with the money you actually have, spare from the cap, or given to you with the MLE.
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Jul 2, 2006 8:41:43 GMT -5
Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jul 2, 2006 8:41:43 GMT -5
so, you can't go over the cap at all? what if you are already over it, like you are? you can only offer the mle to your players?
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Jul 2, 2006 9:08:45 GMT -5
Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 2, 2006 9:08:45 GMT -5
Yep thats it. I can offer the max to Mike Dunleavy if I wanted to becauses hes restricted, but my unrestricted free agents like Theo Ratliff, I can only offer the MLE for even though he is my own UFA. I understand some teams might lose their own UFA but this rule makes sense in a few ways. It is only a proposal though. Maybe the building ground for other ideas to be added on.
You guys know whats going on here right? Its like a new collective bargaining agreement with the owners. We are trying to figure out what works best for this league and you know what they do for rules? They end up voting. We should take the 3 best proposals for what to do and have a league vote. Under the poll the first post should have each proposal and explain what it means.
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Jul 2, 2006 11:50:07 GMT -5
Post by twiens on Jul 2, 2006 11:50:07 GMT -5
I like Detroit's idea.
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Jul 2, 2006 15:24:18 GMT -5
Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jul 2, 2006 15:24:18 GMT -5
i had an idea that we should be aloud to trade restricted free agents. well like right now. if you have any because then whoever you trade that guy to, now he can go over the cap to resign the player, so basically he'll get him.. idk, i just had an idea
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Jul 2, 2006 16:06:38 GMT -5
Post by Philadelphia 76ers on Jul 2, 2006 16:06:38 GMT -5
I like the Player agent thing but I think they would have to be on alot for it too work I really dont like the thing with whos got a better record due to it would be harded for lower teams to get better
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Jul 2, 2006 16:16:52 GMT -5
Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 2, 2006 16:16:52 GMT -5
I like the Player agent thing but I think they would have to be on alot for it too work I really dont like the thing with whos got a better record due to it would be harded for lower teams to get better Instead of one player agent, we could just make the whole league the agent, throw up a poll for a few hours, and the winner gets the signing
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Jul 2, 2006 16:24:03 GMT -5
Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 2, 2006 16:24:03 GMT -5
It's funny how everyone offers these great ideas that end up helping their own teams. Teams like the Wizards and Jazz keep arguing that people shouldn't be able to go over the cap to resign their own FA's because they have money to spend. Then Detroit comes in with this idea of only going over the cap to sign RFA's and not UFA's. Just so happens that his FA he wants to keep, Dunleavy, is a RFA, and his FA that no one wants (Ratliff) is an UFA. All I'm trying to say is what we did last year worked and is the closest to the real NBA. All these other dumb ideas are just selfish ideas trying to help their own teams. I'm not saying I'm not included in wanting to help my team, but I'm not trying to change any rules. Trades I did in the past I wouldn't have done if I knew we were going to change the rules all the sudden. I've known for months that I would be able to resign my own players as long as I don't sign any other FA's.
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Jul 2, 2006 16:28:09 GMT -5
Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 2, 2006 16:28:09 GMT -5
Actually none of these will help me that much since I can't offer the max to anyone anyway, I won't be able to sign a star even if one becomes available. And to be fair you are against this because you have 2 big unrestricted free agents you want to sign.
Edit- and actually The current system is not going to be like the real NBA, because people will be going way over the cap to resign people which doesn't ahoppen in the NBA anymore because of the luxury tax.
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Jul 2, 2006 16:30:38 GMT -5
Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 2, 2006 16:30:38 GMT -5
I traded for both of them with the understanding that the rules won't just change.
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Jul 2, 2006 16:36:37 GMT -5
Post by Washington Wizards on Jul 2, 2006 16:36:37 GMT -5
whats the point of free agency then? so teams can go out & pick up average players? basically with the rule thats in place now, once your team becomes good, they will be good forever, am i right? and if your team is bad, your team will be bad forever, correct?
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Jul 2, 2006 17:06:48 GMT -5
Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 2, 2006 17:06:48 GMT -5
No, it just doesn't let teams loose superstars without having a choice. There are still going to be a bunch of FA's on the market. If a team goes over the cap to resign their own players they can't sign anyone else unless it is for the minimum. So teams like myslef have a choice. Do I want to spend big money on other players or resign my own guys.
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Jul 2, 2006 17:21:00 GMT -5
Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 2, 2006 17:21:00 GMT -5
so like I have no chance at amare, yao, shaq, prince, ben wallace for that matter, peja, none of the good free agents I have 0 chance for even if I free some cap space up and offer them the max. But you can max out every player on your team to resign them. I mean what stops a team like the spurs from maxing nazr muhhamoud just so he doesnt lose him? Nothing
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Jul 2, 2006 17:22:15 GMT -5
Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 2, 2006 17:22:15 GMT -5
I do like detroits idea though, sounds the fairest so far.
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Jul 2, 2006 19:02:48 GMT -5
Post by Player Agent 3 [Clippers] on Jul 2, 2006 19:02:48 GMT -5
The thing that always pops into my head is why the Mavs would let Nash go as a FA (in real life) for free to the Suns, the answer was that Cuban didn't want to pay a huge luxury tax. Here (as it is now) there isn't any reason to not resign all your FA's b/c you can go over the cap as much as you want.
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Jul 2, 2006 19:51:55 GMT -5
Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 2, 2006 19:51:55 GMT -5
"Just so happens that his FA he wants to keep, Dunleavy, is a RFA, and his FA that no one wants (Ratliff) is an UFA"
I dont want to keep Dunleavy that bad. If he goes over a certain amount, which is pretty low, I'm letting him walk. I have Francisco Garcia for backup SF now. I would rather keep Ratliff then Dunleavy.
My proposal wasnt biased, it was what I thought was best for the league in general.
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