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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jun 13, 2007 13:24:04 GMT -5
are you sure he changed his stance? btw i like felton more too
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jun 13, 2007 13:27:02 GMT -5
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jun 13, 2007 13:32:32 GMT -5
Pierce signed an extension with Boston last offseason, however it does not count in the league as we don't allow extensions |
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jun 13, 2007 13:33:04 GMT -5
oh, ok thanks for the clear up.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jun 13, 2007 14:11:23 GMT -5
Pierce signed an extension with Boston last offseason, however it does not count in the league as we don't allow extensions Ditto. I'm surprised more people didn't realize this, it's been talked about a lot on here. |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jun 13, 2007 14:12:38 GMT -5
i feel this trade should go through because seattle accepted and then edited it and denied it. thats backing out isnt it so he should be forced to make the deal when the commitee votes on it. Are you positive about this? Seattle, is this true? |
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jun 13, 2007 14:13:45 GMT -5
why else would his comment be edited on where it says denied? if he would have denied it first there would have been no need to edit it. makes sense to me.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jun 13, 2007 14:18:29 GMT -5
typo...i doubt in the same minute he learns about the extension
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Post by Boston Celtics on Jun 13, 2007 14:23:21 GMT -5
im not sure but thats just my opinion ask him tho im not sure. But then he could have agreed then got a pm about the extension from a gm who saw the trade and then edited it. who knos tho im not sure but i was just curious about it.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jun 13, 2007 14:39:25 GMT -5
no way, chicago was definitely getting the best end of the deal. Pierce is obviously better than prince, but in a business move, having prince for 5 years is better than having pierce for 1, especially when pierce won't help you enough to do any damage in the playoffs. plus, felton is hands down better than west. you're a boston fan, you are biased. i totally understand, i'm the same way with my team, but felton is better. then seattle is including a 1st round pick this year, and another next year, that could end up being the #4 in the draft. Pierce is going to sign the extension...It has been talked about non stop here in Mass. He is gunna stay a celtic for life unless he is traded. I've seen felton and west both play...and I am sticking with west, not just cause I'm a boston fan, but because I'm a west fan. I loved him at St. Joseph's, and I'm still convinced that he is one of the most underrated players in the league. Other than Pierce, he is the most complete player on the celtics, and i guarntee you that you cannot find a better defeinsive pg....I have never seen a pg block shots like West does. Ask Detroit about the time Delonte blocked Ben Wallace two times in a row than dunked on him on the other side of the court. West will explode this year because he is finally being given the starting job and a chance to run the C's. Felton is a very good player also...i just don't think that he is as complete as West. Pierce already signed his extension with Boston, like last year, that doesn't matter in our league though. When we started, Pierce's contract ended after this next season, so it will in here, regardless of the extensions he received in real life. West being the most complete player on a 24 win team doesn't mean much to me. If he wasn't good enough to be a full time starter then, even though he did start 47 times. He has a career average of 0.4 blocks per game, that does not jump out at me at all. And one play of blocking the LEAST offensively talented, and undersized one at that, center in the league, is not that impressive, but it does sound like it was a great string of plays. Nate Robinson blocked Yao Ming this year, but nobody is calling him the best defensive pg in the league. Wade averaged 1.22 blocks per game this season, and Shaun Livingston averaged .54 (West had .49 this season). He is 7th on the list of BPG (#14 per 48 minutes) amongst all guards, and 42 on the list for SPG (#88 for Steals per 48 minutes). Blocks and Steals aren't what makes good defense though. I admit, I haven't seen enough of West playing to totally disregard him, but I've seen enough of Rajon Rondo to award him the best defensive PG on the Celtics. West isn't even the best D PG on his team, and I'm pretty sure of that. |
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jun 13, 2007 14:44:18 GMT -5
Pierce is going to sign the extension...It has been talked about non stop here in Mass. He is gunna stay a celtic for life unless he is traded. I've seen felton and west both play...and I am sticking with west, not just cause I'm a boston fan, but because I'm a west fan. I loved him at St. Joseph's, and I'm still convinced that he is one of the most underrated players in the league. Other than Pierce, he is the most complete player on the celtics, and i guarntee you that you cannot find a better defeinsive pg....I have never seen a pg block shots like West does. Ask Detroit about the time Delonte blocked Ben Wallace two times in a row than dunked on him on the other side of the court. West will explode this year because he is finally being given the starting job and a chance to run the C's. Felton is a very good player also...i just don't think that he is as complete as West. Pierce already signed his extension with Boston, like last year, that doesn't matter in our league though. When we started, Pierce's contract ended after this next season, so it will in here, regardless of the extensions he received in real life. West being the most complete player on a 24 win team doesn't mean much to me. If he wasn't good enough to be a full time starter then, even though he did start 47 times. He has a career average of 0.4 blocks per game, that does not jump out at me at all. And one play of blocking the LEAST offensively talented, and undersized one at that, center in the league, is not that impressive, but it does sound like it was a great string of plays. Nate Robinson blocked Yao Ming this year, but nobody is calling him the best defensive pg in the league. Wade averaged 1.22 blocks per game this season, and Shaun Livingston averaged .54 (West had .49 this season). He is 7th on the list of BPG (#14 per 48 minutes) amongst all guards, and 42 on the list for SPG (#88 for Steals per 48 minutes). Blocks and Steals aren't what makes good defense though. I admit, I haven't seen enough of West playing to totally disregard him, but I've seen enough of Rajon Rondo to award him the best defensive PG on the Celtics. West isn't even the best D PG on his team, and I'm pretty sure of that. West is a pretty good defensive PG, mostly because of his size, he isn't spectacular, he's kind of stuck between positions, he's not a spectacular passer, just decent, he's really a 2 guard, but a bit small for the position |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Jun 13, 2007 14:59:06 GMT -5
Pierce is going to sign the extension...It has been talked about non stop here in Mass. He is gunna stay a celtic for life unless he is traded. I've seen felton and west both play...and I am sticking with west, not just cause I'm a boston fan, but because I'm a west fan. I loved him at St. Joseph's, and I'm still convinced that he is one of the most underrated players in the league. Other than Pierce, he is the most complete player on the celtics, and i guarntee you that you cannot find a better defeinsive pg....I have never seen a pg block shots like West does. Ask Detroit about the time Delonte blocked Ben Wallace two times in a row than dunked on him on the other side of the court. West will explode this year because he is finally being given the starting job and a chance to run the C's. Felton is a very good player also...i just don't think that he is as complete as West. Pierce already signed his extension with Boston, like last year, that doesn't matter in our league though. When we started, Pierce's contract ended after this next season, so it will in here, regardless of the extensions he received in real life. West being the most complete player on a 24 win team doesn't mean much to me. If he wasn't good enough to be a full time starter then, even though he did start 47 times. He has a career average of 0.4 blocks per game, that does not jump out at me at all. And one play of blocking the LEAST offensively talented, and undersized one at that, center in the league, is not that impressive, but it does sound like it was a great string of plays. Nate Robinson blocked Yao Ming this year, but nobody is calling him the best defensive pg in the league. Wade averaged 1.22 blocks per game this season, and Shaun Livingston averaged .54 (West had .49 this season). He is 7th on the list of BPG (#14 per 48 minutes) amongst all guards, and 42 on the list for SPG (#88 for Steals per 48 minutes). Blocks and Steals aren't what makes good defense though. I admit, I haven't seen enough of West playing to totally disregard him, but I've seen enough of Rajon Rondo to award him the best defensive PG on the Celtics. West isn't even the best D PG on his team, and I'm pretty sure of that. West was hurt a lot this past year (like everyone on the celts). Those 24 wins are not a good representation of how good a team the Celts are. At one point our three best offensive players were all hurt. Jefferson was out for a while, west was out, Pierce was out almost the entire season, Wally was out most of the year, and Tony Allen was out for a long time too. This is a very young team, and they will challenge Toronto next year. I have never seen a player in the NBA (other than Rodman) hustle as hard as West does. This kid puts 110% into every single game. He is a much better all around defender than Rondo too simply because he doesnt get beaten off the dribble like Rondo tends to. Rajon is an amazing athlete that is going to lead the league in steals sooner or later....but he makes some bone headed plays some times trying to gamble for a loose ball. West didnt really have a position two years ago because there was a bit of a jam at the 2 guard with Ricky Davis and Tony Allen. This year West has established himself as the top pg on a very young team that will challenge for a playoff spot. You should watch a few celts games this year just to see Allen, Green, West, and Jefferson. These kids are all monsters, and in a few years will challenge for a title. You're a big T-Mac fan right? Green is almost the exact same player, only more athletic and with a better 3 point shot. He doesnt have the body mass or IQ quite yet, but that will come. West reminds me a lot of a Joe Dumars |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jun 13, 2007 15:01:14 GMT -5
I have no doubt he is above average. But yea, I always thought he was more of a 2 guard forced to play point because of his size. Either way, calling him the best defensive PG in the league is such a huge stretch. Especially with people like Hinrich and Kidd in the league. West didn't even receive 1 vote for All Defensive team.
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Post by Toronto Raptors on Jun 13, 2007 15:01:54 GMT -5
Pierce already signed his extension with Boston, like last year, that doesn't matter in our league though. When we started, Pierce's contract ended after this next season, so it will in here, regardless of the extensions he received in real life. West being the most complete player on a 24 win team doesn't mean much to me. If he wasn't good enough to be a full time starter then, even though he did start 47 times. He has a career average of 0.4 blocks per game, that does not jump out at me at all. And one play of blocking the LEAST offensively talented, and undersized one at that, center in the league, is not that impressive, but it does sound like it was a great string of plays. Nate Robinson blocked Yao Ming this year, but nobody is calling him the best defensive pg in the league. Wade averaged 1.22 blocks per game this season, and Shaun Livingston averaged .54 (West had .49 this season). He is 7th on the list of BPG (#14 per 48 minutes) amongst all guards, and 42 on the list for SPG (#88 for Steals per 48 minutes). Blocks and Steals aren't what makes good defense though. I admit, I haven't seen enough of West playing to totally disregard him, but I've seen enough of Rajon Rondo to award him the best defensive PG on the Celtics. West isn't even the best D PG on his team, and I'm pretty sure of that. West was hurt a lot this past year (like everyone on the celts). Those 24 wins are not a good representation of how good a team the Celts are. At one point our three best offensive players were all hurt. Jefferson was out for a while, west was out, Pierce was out almost the entire season, Wally was out most of the year, and Tony Allen was out for a long time too. This is a very young team, and they will challenge Toronto next year. I have never seen a player in the NBA (other than Rodman) hustle as hard as West does. This kid puts 110% into every single game. He is a much better all around defender than Rondo too simply because he doesnt get beaten off the dribble like Rondo tends to. Rajon is an amazing athlete that is going to lead the league in steals sooner or later....but he makes some bone headed plays some times trying to gamble for a loose ball. West didnt really have a position two years ago because there was a bit of a jam at the 2 guard with Ricky Davis and Tony Allen. This year West has established himself as the top pg on a very young team that will challenge for a playoff spot. You should watch a few celts games this year just to see Allen, Green, West, and Jefferson. These kids are all monsters, and in a few years will challenge for a title. You're a big T-Mac fan right? Green is almost the exact same player, only more athletic and with a better 3 point shot. He doesnt have the body mass or IQ quite yet, but that will come. West reminds me a lot of a Joe Dumars West Joe Dumars, not really. I could see West being a Tayshaun Prince type player, does good job on D, but helps out on Offense too. Felton is only bad because of his horrendus Shooting Percentage. |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jun 13, 2007 15:08:34 GMT -5
Pierce already signed his extension with Boston, like last year, that doesn't matter in our league though. When we started, Pierce's contract ended after this next season, so it will in here, regardless of the extensions he received in real life. West being the most complete player on a 24 win team doesn't mean much to me. If he wasn't good enough to be a full time starter then, even though he did start 47 times. He has a career average of 0.4 blocks per game, that does not jump out at me at all. And one play of blocking the LEAST offensively talented, and undersized one at that, center in the league, is not that impressive, but it does sound like it was a great string of plays. Nate Robinson blocked Yao Ming this year, but nobody is calling him the best defensive pg in the league. Wade averaged 1.22 blocks per game this season, and Shaun Livingston averaged .54 (West had .49 this season). He is 7th on the list of BPG (#14 per 48 minutes) amongst all guards, and 42 on the list for SPG (#88 for Steals per 48 minutes). Blocks and Steals aren't what makes good defense though. I admit, I haven't seen enough of West playing to totally disregard him, but I've seen enough of Rajon Rondo to award him the best defensive PG on the Celtics. West isn't even the best D PG on his team, and I'm pretty sure of that. West was hurt a lot this past year (like everyone on the celts). Those 24 wins are not a good representation of how good a team the Celts are. At one point our three best offensive players were all hurt. Jefferson was out for a while, west was out, Pierce was out almost the entire season, Wally was out most of the year, and Tony Allen was out for a long time too. This is a very young team, and they will challenge Toronto next year. I have never seen a player in the NBA (other than Rodman) hustle as hard as West does. This kid puts 110% into every single game. He is a much better all around defender than Rondo too simply because he doesnt get beaten off the dribble like Rondo tends to. Rajon is an amazing athlete that is going to lead the league in steals sooner or later....but he makes some bone headed plays some times trying to gamble for a loose ball. West didnt really have a position two years ago because there was a bit of a jam at the 2 guard with Ricky Davis and Tony Allen. This year West has established himself as the top pg on a very young team that will challenge for a playoff spot. You should watch a few celts games this year just to see Allen, Green, West, and Jefferson. These kids are all monsters, and in a few years will challenge for a title. You're a big T-Mac fan right? Green is almost the exact same player, only more athletic and with a better 3 point shot. He doesnt have the body mass or IQ quite yet, but that will come. West reminds me a lot of a Joe Dumars Yea, as a Rocket's fan I know all about injury problems too, so I feel your pain there. However, that also means I've seen a lot of Shane Battier, and that guy is pure hustle. It's hard to watch Celtics games when they have such a bad season and are never on national TV, but I'm actually going to buy League Pass next year so I'll catch a few of their games. I'm a fan of green, I almost died when he fell in the draft, the Celtics picked him up just 5-6 picks before the Rockets were able to draft, and I thought he would be gone in the Top 6. But, I don't think he will ever be better than what McGrady is now. Celtics have ways to go before they can contend, more than just a few years. Duncan will still be around in a few years contending. The Mavs, Spurs, Rockets, Jazz, etc all have enough to contend for the next few years no matter what happens. Celtics are promising, but they need more. |
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Post by Seattle Supersonics on Jun 13, 2007 15:30:28 GMT -5
i feel this trade should go through because seattle accepted and then edited it and denied it. thats backing out isnt it so he should be forced to make the deal when the commitee votes on it. I have never accepted this trade. Which post have I edited? |
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Post by Seattle Supersonics on Jun 13, 2007 15:31:34 GMT -5
i feel this trade should go through because seattle accepted and then edited it and denied it. thats backing out isnt it so he should be forced to make the deal when the commitee votes on it. Are you positive about this? Seattle, is this true? No it is not. I have never accepted this trade in this thread, just through PMs with Chicago. |
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Post by Seattle Supersonics on Jun 13, 2007 15:33:00 GMT -5
How about this, has anybody seen my post say "I accept"? Anybody? I know almost every GM has taken a look at this thread.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jun 13, 2007 15:40:38 GMT -5
actually i was about to say that when i first looked at this thread, i say that he denied it and that he was sorry or something like that, i never saw i accept.
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Post by Seattle Supersonics on Jun 13, 2007 16:33:40 GMT -5
actually i was about to say that when i first looked at this thread, i say that he denied it and that he was sorry or something like that, i never saw i accept. So it used to say "i'm sorry", and then it said "i'm not trading Prince for an expirer" I only made one edit, and SAS can find that out under the security log. Thanks Atlanta, even I forgot what I first wrote  |
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