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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 3, 2006 9:57:43 GMT -5
Option 1-You can only exceed the salary cap to resign your own RFA and that is it.
Option 2-You are allowed to exceed the salary cap to resign your own RFA and 1 UFA only.
Option 3-You are allowed to choose between your RFA's or 1 UFA to exceed the cap with. If you exceed the cap with your RFA you can not resign your UFA unless with the MLE. Same goes the other way around, if you exceed the cap to resign an UFA you only have the MLE to work with for your RFA.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jul 3, 2006 10:02:13 GMT -5
I'm torn between 2 and 3.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 3, 2006 10:04:44 GMT -5
I've decide to go with 3, I think it will open up the league somewhat, but will also allow a good amount of choice to teams on who they most want to keep.
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Post by Player Agent 3 [Clippers] on Jul 3, 2006 10:05:08 GMT -5
I pick 3 since it maintains balance and makes the owners make tough decisions. I do think that if an UFA is signed under this system though that it has to be the first thing calculated into the cap to decide how much is left to use (if any) on other RFA's or UFA's.
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Post by Charlotte Bobcats on Jul 3, 2006 10:33:43 GMT -5
The only thing I am thinking is this. Most teams won't have 2 big name free agents at the same time.
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Post by Player Agent 3 [Clippers] on Jul 3, 2006 10:53:30 GMT -5
The only thing I am thinking is this. Most teams won't have 2 big name free agents at the same time. Well let's asess what you just said by looking at the superstars. Kobe has been on the Lakers his entire career. KG has been with the T-Wolves his entire career. Lebron just got offered a huge extension to be a Cavalier for a long time. Dirk has been with the Mavs his entire career. Shaq 3 different teams all different (mostly personal) reasons for leaving. Nash two different teams (same team twice) reason for leaving was trade and Cuban not wanting to pay Luxury tax. Yao Ming is going to be a Rocket for a long time. Duncan has been a Spur his entire career. AI has been a 76 his entire career. There aren't many superstars left and most of the time super stars don't leave their teams. It might be highly unlikely that 2 superstars have contracts expiring the same year on the same team but in order to resign that superstar that team is more than likely giving up the ability to re-sign 2-4 players which one or two of might be really good just not yet a superstar. |
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 3, 2006 11:02:06 GMT -5
i'm not even going to vote for anything but if a rule like this gets changed right before FA then I want to go back and get my players back because I wouldn't have done trades if I knew kids were going to bit*h and get a rule changed.
Dwayne Wade for Tayshaun Prince and Tony Parker (Did it with understanding I can resign Prince as long as I sign no one else)
Michael Redd for Tony Parker (Did it with understanding that I can take on the extra cap space because I won't be signing any FA's, only my own)
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 3, 2006 11:05:20 GMT -5
i'm not even going to vote for anything but if a rule like this gets changed right before FA then I want to go back and get my players back because I wouldn't have done trades if I knew kids were going to bit*h and get a rule changed. Dwayne Wade for Tayshaun Prince and Tony Parker (Did it with understanding I can resign Prince as long as I sign no one else) Michael Redd for Tony Parker (Did it with understanding that I can take on the extra cap space because I won't be signing any FA's, only my own) Well based on the option that is winning right now, as long as you could get Prince signed first, you could resign both. Resigning prince wouldn't put you over the cap. So you could use your one UFA on Shaq |
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 3, 2006 11:07:56 GMT -5
No that is missing the entire point. Kids bit*h about a rule that has been in place for 2 years because they want to help their team and right before FA you're going to have a poll? I'm commitited to this league, but if something stupid like this happens I don't want to be apart of it.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 3, 2006 11:10:55 GMT -5
No that is missing the entire point. Kids bit*h about a rule that has been in place for 2 years because they want to help their team and right before FA you're going to have a poll? I'm commitited to this league, but if something stupid like this happens I don't want to be apart of it. We already changed the Free Agency rules once this off season, this is to clarify them so there is the same free agent movement as before. Before the way to prevent resigns was the lack of a max contract, so it could go as high as possible ex. 19 million for swift. People wouldn't resign for these huge contracts because it made people untradeable. But with a max, anyone can be resigned and still be at a reasonable level, so there is no reason to let a good player go, so this rule change is a clarification of the rule changes already made this offseason. |
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 3, 2006 11:22:22 GMT -5
No, because the highest a player would go is in the low 20's anyway so the max thing doesn't change much.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 3, 2006 12:08:28 GMT -5
i'm not even going to vote for anything but if a rule like this gets changed right before FA then I want to go back and get my players back because I wouldn't have done trades if I knew kids were going to bit*h and get a rule changed. Dwayne Wade for Tayshaun Prince and Tony Parker (Did it with understanding I can resign Prince as long as I sign no one else) Michael Redd for Tony Parker (Did it with understanding that I can take on the extra cap space because I won't be signing any FA's, only my own) Why couldnt you resign Prince? He is a restricted free agent so you could go over the cap to resign him if you needed to. You could probably give Prince the max and then resign Shaq with whats left. |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 3, 2006 12:10:54 GMT -5
i'm not even going to vote for anything but if a rule like this gets changed right before FA then I want to go back and get my players back because I wouldn't have done trades if I knew kids were going to bit*h and get a rule changed. Dwayne Wade for Tayshaun Prince and Tony Parker (Did it with understanding I can resign Prince as long as I sign no one else) Michael Redd for Tony Parker (Did it with understanding that I can take on the extra cap space because I won't be signing any FA's, only my own) Well based on the option that is winning right now, as long as you could get Prince signed first, you could resign both. Resigning prince wouldn't put you over the cap. So you could use your one UFA on Shaq Thats option 2 your talking about. Option 3, the one that is winning, says you can go over the cap to resign a RFA OR UFA. If you choose to go over the cap to resign a RFA you can NOT go over the cap to resign your UFA. However if you choose to go over the cap to resign your UFA you can NOT go over the cap to resign your RFA. Option 2 says you can resign your RFA and go over the cap AND 1 UFA as well. |
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Jul 3, 2006 12:51:45 GMT -5
You're missing the point. I would have never traded for Prince if I knew I would loose Shaq because of it, or vice versa. Bottome line is a rule like this can't just be changed.
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Post by New Jersey Nets on Jul 3, 2006 13:04:13 GMT -5
I voted for 3. But once you go over the cap you can't sign any more FA without your MLE and LLE.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 3, 2006 13:10:08 GMT -5
Well based on the option that is winning right now, as long as you could get Prince signed first, you could resign both. Resigning prince wouldn't put you over the cap. So you could use your one UFA on Shaq Thats option 2 your talking about. Option 3, the one that is winning, says you can go over the cap to resign a RFA OR UFA. If you choose to go over the cap to resign a RFA you can NOT go over the cap to resign your UFA. However if you choose to go over the cap to resign your UFA you can NOT go over the cap to resign your RFA. Option 2 says you can resign your RFA and go over the cap AND 1 UFA as well. Yeah, but resigning Prince, even to the max would not put him over the cap, I think might be close with draft picks signed. So if he resigns prince, and is still under the cap he can then go over the cap to sign shaq |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 3, 2006 13:15:36 GMT -5
oh i see what your saying. he is signing prince then "choosing" the UFA to go over the cap with
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Post by Miami Heat on Jul 3, 2006 13:35:18 GMT -5
i would hope that going over the cap means only going over the soft cap, and not being able to go over the hard cap, because that could get rediculous
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 3, 2006 13:56:17 GMT -5
san antonio has said that he doesnt like a hard cap. i personally dont care, but we probably wont have one
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Jul 3, 2006 16:27:41 GMT -5
This isn't going to be the final poll.. there isn't an option to keep it the same as last year. I'll make one last one.
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