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Post by Detroit Pistons on Oct 11, 2006 8:30:15 GMT -5
I find it kind of amusing that everything going wrong in the world is Bill Clinton's fault. 9/11, Bin Laden, and now North Korea. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061011/ap_on_go_co/us_nkorea_mccain;_ylt=Am9Ykd4tyh5mTmbBIUOebwSyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--Seriously, can the republicans stop trying to blame everything on democrats and Clinton? Everyone needs to play the blame game in todays politics and if something goes wrong the finger pointing starts; its really ridiculous. You would think maybe the representatives of our government can take a little heat for things that go wrong, but no, the Bush administration is God's gift to Earth, and the Republicans are saints. Now, dont get me wrong, I am not here supporting the democrats either as they are also wrong in a lot of what they do. What Im trying to say is the politics of the United States at this point are very twisted. The representatives and parties are only trying to get votes, numbers, and they will deceive people to get those votes. They dont care or even remember much of what they were voted to represent, it only matters that they are in office. Thats all they care about, getting seats in office. The Republican and Democrat parties are both screwed up, but the Republicans need to stop riding Bush's nuts so hard, and take some criticism for what they might of done wrong, or could of done better. They need to stop looking at it as their fault, their problem, its the Democrats who did this, or vice versa, and we need to start looking at it as a U.S. fault, a U.S. problem. The sooner we can stop having civil war in Congress, the better. The sooner we can stop playing the blame game, the better off we'll be. I guess that just cant happen though. |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 15:17:08 GMT -5
first of all...you need to realize that ALL political parties are corrupt...its been like that for over 200 years and its going to continue forever. its nothing new.
second of all...9/11 for the most part was Clinton's fault...but that doesn't matter...whats done is done. its the liberals that always start the finger pointing when things go wrong...and when it can be traced back to Clinton they don't want to talk about it anymore. Clinton is a GOD to some people....but in reality he was a HORRIBLE president. much worse than Bush. people seem to think that we had a surplus because of Clinton...but that is a flat out lie. We had a surplus because of Reaganomics and the Internet. Clinton did next to nothing while in office...well...he did lie in court...under oath....but lets not talk about that because he didn't start the Iraq war!!! LOL!
Bush has taken tons of heat...and he has admitted to making mistakes...so i don't know which fairytale land you live in where Bush doesn't own up to his shit...
btw...bush has admitted that Iraq was a screw up...He doesn't just point fingers at the bad Intel that CLINTON created...
i really don't know what you're problem is though...the Dem's have screwed up this country so many times...you should be happy that Bush came in at the right time...the economy is doing much better than it was when Clinton was about to leave office...
I'm not really sure what your getting at though...so when you come up with a real point tell me...
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Oct 11, 2006 15:40:32 GMT -5
lol i was waiting for your response.
I still find it funny that North Korea was Clinton's fault! The Bush administration has ignored Korea's nuclear program and now the threat of a North Korean nuclear weapon is very real, and not far behind is Iran. Bush did mess up with Iraq, and we have lost focus. Now there are reports that we will have soldiers in Iraq until 2010.
I find it hard to believe that the Rebublicans can blame everything on the Democrats and Clinton. Clinton at least has talks with North Korea on their nuclear program, and even had them freeze enrichment. The White House today has ignored the problem and now out of nowhere North Korea has weapons that are potentially hazardous to the United States, and its allies. Luckily China is more on our side on this issue, otherwise we would have a much harder time dealing with North Korea. And lets not forget Iran and its nuclear program. Iran is watching this situation very closely and you can bet they are taking notes. What happens if Iran produces their nuclear weapon? Although it may be a few years away, that possibility is very real as well. We cannot deal with Iraq, Afghanistan (which many have forgotten about), Korea, and Iran at the same time.
My problem is North Korea produces a nuclear weapon, and its Clintons fault. The Republicans are trying so hard to point the blame elsewhere, and while some fault may fall onto the former President's shoulders, where has Bush been the last 6 years?
BTW Bush is a GOD to many people as well. Im not strongly liberal or conservative on these issues, but I feel that Bush and his administration, including the Republicans in congress, need to take blame themselves and stop the finger pointing. Although politics are corrupt as you say, we can be mature sometimes and take the blame as our problem, not the democrats or republicans. Because we just cant ever have something totally be our fault can it? Someone else has to be at fault. "Well I did this because this person said it was ok, so its their fault not mine. Although I could of changed my mind, he told me to do it, so its not my fault at all."
My argument isnt solely directed at the republicans, but more at the whole government and all representatives. I just find it very disappointing that we can best friends and united when things are good but when an issue comes up, the fingers come out, the blame game gets started, and with mid-terms coming up now, whoever can put the most blame on the other party thinks they can win the seats in Congress.
I didnt follow the Mark Foley scandal to much, but were the Republicans trying to blame that on the democrats too? I thought I heard an interview somewhere relating back to Clinton.
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Oct 11, 2006 15:57:15 GMT -5
Dallas you are a dumb fucking bush fan..........9/11=bush!
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 15:59:06 GMT -5
ok...two things...
1- Clinton gave North Korea BILLIONS of dollars years ago to help their energy problem...you can guess what they used the money on...i'm willing to bet that you didn't know that...
2- Foley is a piece of scum...there are next to no republicans that support him...the Dem's are trying to make a story out of nothing POINTING FINGERS at the republicans...but they have nothing...
the republicans are shunning Foley...and it drives the liberals nuts because they don't have anything to bitch about...
btw...there was a Dem a few years ago that did the same thing as Foley...do you know what happened to him??? he was given a standing ovation from the democrats after a speech...then he was re-elected into his office FIVE TIMES.
the NK problem is more of Clinton's fault than it is Bush's. Bush has had to deal with a war that almost everyone was in favor with...including both Clintons, John Kerry, Howard Dean, and Teddy Kennedy...but for some reason the Dem's try to make it out like Bush was the only one that wanted to go to war...Thats the MTV/Liberal media at work.
Clinton is the reason NK has the money to work on their nuclear progam...i doubt that you knew that though...
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Oct 11, 2006 16:00:44 GMT -5
oh and you know everything
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 16:07:18 GMT -5
Dallas you are a dumb fucking bush fan..........9/11=bush! wow...how very liberal of you... why don't you tell me why you hate Bush...my guess is that you just spout off what your parents say... btw...lets stop with the insults...i was having a civilized discussion with Detroit...so next time you say something like that there will be a consequence. |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 16:07:49 GMT -5
oh and you know everything what is your problem?  |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 16:08:51 GMT -5
and how was 9/11 Bush's fault?!?!?!? he was only in office 7 months when it happened!!! that means ALL OF THE PLANNING went down while Clinton was in office...
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Oct 11, 2006 16:12:28 GMT -5
If you want to play the game of money, then you can say that the situations with the Taliban, Iraq, etc., are all because of the U.S. and former Presidents. We supplied weapons and money to the Taliban to fight the Soviets, which they used against us later. We also supply countries with nuclear layout plans and education. So Clinton may of provided Korea with money, however, what President hasnt provided another country with some type of supply, whether it be money, weapons, or education? Dont get me wrong, like I said, im not supporting Clinton like a saint and im not saying everything he did is right. But what I am saying is the Republicans can take a little blame for what happened, or even better, we as a government can quit blaming people and learn from this situation. Really, Im more ashamed at the finger pointing of our government then who is to blame. I believe we need to leave that BEHIND and move on to solve the problem, yet on the news you still see people blaming Clinton, blaming Bush, blaming whomever, and what im saying is to just move on and deal with the problem. Each party is to blame. Some rests with the former Presidents administration, some rests with the current President's administration, so move on and figure out a way to solve this, and prevent this in the future. You can bet Korea is paying close attention to our politics and the way our representatives are handling this issue, and loving every minute of finger pointing going on. You can also bet we will be in this situation in a few years with Iran if something isnt done now. I believe that we can further prevent nuclear production by other countries if we can learn from this mistake here. Its not all Clintons fault, its not all Bush's fault, it is failure to communicate and our governments fault. I just wish we could realize that, grow up, move on, and deal with more important issues rather then who's fault it is.
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Oct 11, 2006 16:12:42 GMT -5
Bush=9/11 he was sitting in that classroom when the second plane hit and he just sat there that bitch...those buildings did not come down because of fire it was explosives.....he used that to start a war over OIL!
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 16:14:42 GMT -5
Bush=9/11 he was sitting in that classroom when the second plane hit and he just sat there that bitch...those buildings did not come down because of fire it was explosives.....he used that to start a war over OIL! wow....you are seriously messed up.... hate is blinding you... |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 16:19:03 GMT -5
If you want to play the game of money, then you can say that the situations with the Taliban, Iraq, etc., are all because of the U.S. and former Presidents. We supplied weapons and money to the Taliban to fight the Soviets, which they used against us later. We also supply countries with nuclear layout plans and education. So Clinton may of provided Korea with money, however, what President hasnt provided another country with some type of supply, whether it be money, weapons, or education? Dont get me wrong, like I said, im not supporting Clinton like a saint and im not saying everything he did is right. But what I am saying is the Republicans can take a little blame for what happened, or even better, we as a government can quit blaming people and learn from this situation. Really, Im more ashamed at the finger pointing of our government then who is to blame. I believe we need to leave that BEHIND and move on to solve the problem, yet on the news you still see people blaming Clinton, blaming Bush, blaming whomever, and what im saying is to just move on and deal with the problem. Each party is to blame. Some rests with the former Presidents administration, some rests with the current President's administration, so move on and figure out a way to solve this, and prevent this in the future. You can bet Korea is paying close attention to our politics and the way our representatives are handling this issue, and loving every minute of finger pointing going on. You can also bet we will be in this situation in a few years with Iran if something isnt done now. I believe that we can further prevent nuclear production by other countries if we can learn from this mistake here. Its not all Clintons fault, its not all Bush's fault, it is failure to communicate and our governments fault. I just wish we could realize that, grow up, move on, and deal with more important issues rather then who's fault it is. i understand what you're saying...but you have to realize that Bush has owned up to his mistakes MANY TIMES...you act as if no republican has ever admitted wrong doing...that is just simply not true. Clinton is the reason many things have gone wrong...you have to realize this...and you were the one that used the NK situation as an example...Clinton is the reason why the have nuclear weapons...like it or not. the Dems point fingers just as much if not more than republicans...but you chose to ignore that.... |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 16:23:09 GMT -5
i have to go to work...so i'll be back later to talk about this...
New Orleans...you need to wise up kiddo.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Oct 11, 2006 16:31:21 GMT -5
Im not denying that they dont blame or point fingers, like I said, im not strongly liberal nor conservative. Do I believe North Korea was Clintons fault? Not entirely. Bush has had 6 years to deal with Korea. Do I believe some sort of blame should rest with the former President? Sure. But then again, Bush has been in office for 6 years and has done little to nothing to talk to Korea.
My main argument is the entire thing is not Clintons fault. He may have some blame, but surely not all of it. It has been almost 7 years since that man was in charge of this government, how can he be solely responsible for North Korea's nuclear weapon? What im trying to say is we shouldnt be so focused on who and why this happened. Deal with the problem, no matter who's fault it is. But the democrats are caught up in blaming Bush to get some votes, and the Rebulicans are caught up blaming Clinton to get some votes.
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Post by Utah Jazz on Oct 11, 2006 16:44:59 GMT -5
the republicans are shunning Foley...and it drives the liberals nuts because they don't have anything to bitch about... They are now that it's public, the question is why noone did anything when these things were first reported internally. Majority Leader John Boehner has said that he told Hastert about the problems in the Spring, and was told it was "taken care of" There was also Rodney Alexander a Republican who took allegations from one of his pages to Hastert last September. (BTw this guy is the guy I'd put money on as the source of the leak to ABC, since it had to be a republican.) The allegations never went to the ethics board as they normally should. The problem the leadership haswith the Foley issue is the same one clinton had with lewinsky. the action isn't a problem, it is the coverup. |
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Oct 11, 2006 17:20:39 GMT -5
dallas i know what i am talking about..........you probly arent at work, u prolly givin bush a blowjob
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Oct 11, 2006 20:44:58 GMT -5
Hornets, keep it up and your team is the next that is going to be offered to new members.
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 21:19:05 GMT -5
dallas i know what i am talking about..........you probly arent at work, u prolly givin bush a blowjob yeah...you know what your talking about...you think that Bush had somthing to do with 9/11...lol. keep dreaming kiddo. you are a perfect example of why the Liberal party is so screwed up right now...its because of people like you that the Liberal party will not win another election for a LONG time. kid i'm going to go to one of the best political science schools in the country next year...i know what i'm talking about... |
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Post by Dallas Mavericks on Oct 11, 2006 21:31:34 GMT -5
I'm not denying that they don't blame or point fingers, like I said, I'm not strongly liberal nor conservative. Do I believe North Korea was Clintons fault? Not entirely. Bush has had 6 years to deal with Korea. Do I believe some sort of blame should rest with the former President? Sure. But then again, Bush has been in office for 6 years and has done little to nothing to talk to Korea. My main argument is the entire thing is not Clintons fault. He may have some blame, but surely not all of it. It has been almost 7 years since that man was in charge of this government, how can he be solely responsible for North Korea's nuclear weapon? What I'm trying to say is we shouldn't be so focused on who and why this happened. Deal with the problem, no matter who's fault it is. But the democrats are caught up in blaming Bush to get some votes, and the Republicans are caught up blaming Clinton to get some votes. okay...so you're sick of people blaming Clinton for things that are happening now...i can understand that...but at the same time you cant just ignore the fact that Clinton was involved in A LOT of current things. its not all his fault...but some of it is. HE HAS NEVER OWNED UP TO ANYTHING! bush has... Bush has admitted his mistakes time and time again...we cant expect our leaders to be 100% right 100% of the time. but we should expect them to take responsibility for their actions....somthing that the Dems refuse to do. IMO you should be pissed off at people like Kanye West or Green Day. These crazy idiots that are trying to make money by mouthing off and saying crazy things like "George Bush hates black people." when infact Bush has spent MILLIONS more on poverty stricken areas all over the country than Clinton ever did. Politicians lie and point fingers...its been going on for over 200 years...and its never gunna stop....Bush takes more crap from the liberal media than Clinton ever will...but for some reason no one is pissed off about that. |
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