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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 16:25:36 GMT -5
Still waiting on..
Boston Celtics
New York Knicks
Phoenix Suns
Seattle Supersonics
Minnesota Timberwolves
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Nov 26, 2006 16:35:23 GMT -5
do you think that i could change my vote to keep teams that we have right now, that would make it 12 to 10. if its not to late
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Post by Utah Jazz on Nov 26, 2006 16:36:20 GMT -5
It doesn't seem so fair to me that I'm already over the cap so I'll have to sit back this offseason and watch as I lose Lebron and Wade without compensation. lebron and wade are both RFAs |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 16:36:48 GMT -5
do you think that i could change my vote to keep teams that we have right now, that would make it 12 to 10. if its not to late what would make you suddenly want to switch your vote? you were the most vocal one about new teams |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 26, 2006 16:36:49 GMT -5
I didnt know your cap was so high, that sucks. But at the same time your team is so deep losing Wade and LeBron would hurt you, but not ruin you. You have Raja Bell and Matt Harpring to take their place. Anyway, you could trade Carlos Boozer, Jason Terry, Nazr Mohammed for expiring contracts, or stuff like that. Its about preparing for it. Maybe you could have enough money to keep just one, which would be perfectly fine.
I understand you dont want to lose what you built, but you have to understand that it would be best for the league with a system like what I suggested.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 26, 2006 16:38:15 GMT -5
It doesn't seem so fair to me that I'm already over the cap so I'll have to sit back this offseason and watch as I lose Lebron and Wade without compensation. lebron and wade are both RFAs He is talking about if we went with something like I suggested, which I think would be better for our league. It would hurt all the power houses, all the teams over the cap. It would really distribute talent and generate excitement while boosting competition. |
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Nov 26, 2006 16:38:52 GMT -5
do you think that i could change my vote to keep teams that we have right now, that would make it 12 to 10. if its not to late what would make you suddenly want to switch your vote? you were the most vocal one about new teams idk, just to much time and effort into my team, and id rather just keep the team i built from scratch, but if its to late, it doesnt matter to me. |
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Post by Miami Heat on Nov 26, 2006 16:45:33 GMT -5
I'd say I'm in a worse hole. I have $95,000,000 in cap right now, so to be able to resign James and Wade at $15,000,00 each I'd have to completely ruin this season, where I think I have a chance to win it all. you dont have to ruin this season, after the season is over, trade for some smalle contracts, that way you still have Bron and Wade this year and then maybe have a shot at them next year to |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 16:51:33 GMT -5
I'd say I'm in a worse hole. I have $95,000,000 in cap right now, so to be able to resign James and Wade at $15,000,00 each I'd have to completely ruin this season, where I think I have a chance to win it all. you dont have to ruin this season, after the season is over, trade for some smalle contracts, that way you still have Bron and Wade this year and then maybe have a shot at them next year to 1) You can't trade after the trade deadline 2) I won't be able to trade for any expiring contrats, they are already expired 3) Who is going to want to use their cap space on aquiring Nazr or even Jason Terry if they have a chance at getting James or Wade? |
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 16:54:04 GMT -5
Down to 4. All tied up, 13-13. I hope this doesn't end up in a tie.
Boston Celtics
Phoenix Suns
Seattle Supersonics
Minnesota Timberwolves
Now, Atlanta, you said you wanted to change your vote, but Houston Rockets also said he wanted to change his vote, but I don't know which way he voted, so that may cancel yours out or it may be a bigger swing
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 26, 2006 16:56:42 GMT -5
you dont have to ruin this season, after the season is over, trade for some smalle contracts, that way you still have Bron and Wade this year and then maybe have a shot at them next year to 1) You can't trade after the trade deadline 2) I won't be able to trade for any expiring contrats, they are already expired 3) Who is going to want to use their cap space on aquiring Nazr or even Jason Terry if they have a chance at getting James or Wade? Even if your team stayed exactly the same between now and the trade deadline (which i doubt) here is your potential lineup for next year: PG Terry SG Bell SF Granger PF Boozer C Duncan and your team is still deep with haslem, mohammed, harpring on the bench. your in a very good situation. so yeah, you could lose lebron and wade. thats ok, its amazing they are on the same team anyway. im more then likely going to have to give up garnett or bryant or both. its just apart of the game. |
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Post by Utah Jazz on Nov 26, 2006 16:57:51 GMT -5
I really like the Free Agent system we agreed on last year, I'd like to see it in action for an offseason before we make a change to the league. I think people are underestimating the amount of player movement that is going to happen. barring trades to save money etc. here are some guys who will probably not be resigned due to cap issues:
Paul Pierce, Jalen rose, Marbury (maybe), magloire, stackhouse, Nowitzki (maybe), mason, Bibby(maybe), carter, lewis(maybe). There are alot more too,
The bets part is that none of the top teams will have the cap room to sign one of those guys, so they will end up on the weaker teams.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 16:59:08 GMT -5
but what is to stop their own teams from resigning them?
i think the hard cap detroit proposes is way too low also
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Post by Utah Jazz on Nov 26, 2006 17:02:56 GMT -5
but what is to stop their own teams from resigning them? i think the hard cap detroit proposes is way too low also If you remember the rule was going to be changed to only being able to exceed the cap for restricted free agents, none of those guys are restricted, and none of their teams will be enough under the cap to sign a player to a max deal, wxceot maybe the knicks. |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 26, 2006 17:03:17 GMT -5
Regular Cap: $60,000,000
Medium Cap: $65,000,000-$68,000,000
Hard Cap: $70,000,000-$75,000,000
You cannot resign your RFA if your cap would exceed the hard cap. You cannot resign your UFA if it exceeds the medium cap. Every team from $55,000,000 in cap space to $65,000,000 (or the hard cap minus 5 mil) gets the MLE and LLE, and you can use it so long as you do not exceed the hard cap.
Anyway I just thought of this right now, and we have a very long time until we have to make a decision so we have time to improve or get new ideas.
I thought of that idea on the spot. Whatever we go with you can bet there will be changes. I am just proposing the idea of a hard cap, the number is not important at the time.
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 17:04:22 GMT -5
We also might have to increase the normal salary cap, as the one in the NBA increases a little each year
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Post by San Antonio Spurs on Nov 26, 2006 17:08:16 GMT -5
Maybe if we decide to set a hard cap, we could also revert all current contracts to real life NBA contracts
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Post by Utah Jazz on Nov 26, 2006 17:09:32 GMT -5
We also might have to increase the normal salary cap, as the one in the NBA increases a little each year I assume it would be a small increase, maybe say... 3million. Even with an increase that small you are still talking about a lot of good players and a few stars becoming free agents at too high a price to resign. Also a lot of the players who are good but not great will be available for less because people will be trying to save money for their star. So even if say a star like pierce or Nowitski gets resigned, it comes at the expense of 2 or 3 players like a tayshaun prince or morris peterson type level. Solid guys in the 70's and 80's. Then the next year even more stars are up. so every year a few stars move, and a lot of 2nd tier guys move as well. |
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Nov 26, 2006 17:10:48 GMT -5
Maybe if we decide to set a hard cap, we could also revert all current contracts to real life NBA contracts I dont want to do that. Yeah some teams are screwed and some players are very rich, but we signed those players to those contracts. |
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Post by Miami Heat on Nov 26, 2006 17:13:51 GMT -5
i really like the hard cap and soft cap idea and baisicly everything else DET is saying. and i think that the cap is good now, and set the hard cap at around 70 million
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