MANDATORY VOTING

[Atlanta Hawks]

i dont like hard cap and soft cap

[San Antonio Spurs]

I just hope I win it this year so I can get my ring with the team I made before it all comes apart.

[Miami Heat]

boston12 said:

i dont like hard cap and soft cap

why not?

[Atlanta Hawks]

pistons521 said:

Regular Cap: $60,000,000
Medium Cap: $65,000,000-$68,000,000
Hard Cap: $70,000,000-$75,000,000

You cannot resign your RFA if your cap would exceed the hard cap. You cannot resign your UFA if it exceeds the medium cap. Every team from $55,000,000 in cap space to $65,000,000 (or the hard cap minus 5 mil) gets the MLE and LLE, and you can use it so long as you do not exceed the hard cap.

Anyway I just thought of this right now, and we have a very long time until we have to make a decision so we have time to improve or get new ideas.

I thought of that idea on the spot. Whatever we go with you can bet there will be changes. I am just proposing the idea of a hard cap, the number is not important at the time.

i like this proposal though

[Atlanta Hawks]

i was confused about hard cap aand soft cap at first

[Utah Jazz]

didn't we just reject the hard/soft cap this offseason?
Really could we just do one offseason at least to see if the rules we made specifically for this problem work?
We are all getting way ahead of ourselves in my opinion. We had this debate last offseason and made a decision, let's at least see if it works.
As to a new draft, why not just start a new league? If people want a fantasy draft start a new league. Having been in some fantasy draft leagues, they aren't as fun and people drop even more. because you have pretty much a team you want to start with, so there is less incentive to trade, and noone has any real cap problems.

[San Antonio Spurs]

yea i'll be honest, if this turns in to a fantasy draft i'll prolly just leave. we can easily make a new fantasy draft league or join another one. they aren't as fun at all. nobody wants to make trades, especially after a fantasy draft.

[Philadelphia 76ers]

yeah if it comes down to fantasy draft am not coming back I hate leagues with fantasy drafts they dont work

[Orlando Magic]

hard cap that is stupid lets just keep doing it how we are doing it. i took a lottery team to the eastern conference finals with the old rules. atlanta turned his team around completely. its about being a good gm. we dont need to make rules to favor certain teams, why should we baby the crappy teams and force the better teams to lose players.

everyone cried about the system last year and it still worked great in the offseason. everyone is expecting to get the best free agent on their team, when that just doesnt happen. big free agents almost never switch teams in real life, so why should they all have to on here? of course, some good players do, and they did on here as well. not everyone tried to keep all of their players for unreasonable prices last year, and everyone wont this year. last offseason went smooth except for when everyone was bitching about it, especially teams with cap space that think they can become contendors overnight. in real life, charlotte bobcats have a ton of cap space, do you think that means they can just sign lebron and wade in the offseason and then win the championship? dallas mavericks are way over the cap in the real nba, do you think that means they will just let josh howard walk?

also, if we make a hard cap, what about teams that are already over it? ill be over it and i wont have any free agents except for mo williams, so i will stay over it.

this is getting stupid, why change a good thing? i like the idea of getting rid of the crappy teams, if they are just going to sit around here and complain and not try to take the easy road to winning it, just get rid of them. all these new people want to come in here and force changes to make it easier for them to win, what about those of us who enjoy a good thing we have here and just want to continue as we have been?

i dont care for rules that are going to even the playing field. i worked hard on my team, i want to keep it. i dont want to win because i passed a rule that took out the big dogs and left my team high and mighty. i want to win because i made the right trades and signings that earned me a ring. detroit already won his ring, if he didnt already, he wouldnt be pushing for all of these changes. dont take away my chance because you already had yours.

[Philadelphia 76ers]

kay am 100% behide Magic

[Philadelphia 76ers]

like if you look at it all the guys that have been in this league for a long time are voting to keep the thing the same all the new people come in here and are like no we need to chage but we don't I really think if we do then this league will die I know this league wont be here forever but its been the longest league I have been in and to tell you the frist league man you dont need to chage something that is working

[Toronto Raptors]

instead of making changes let's just keep the things the same, make no changes.

I think you guys made it worse by bringing it up that some of the rules in this league needs changes if not for that, this league woulde have prefectly be moving on for it's original job which is you play to win the sim league.

[Detroit Pistons]

mike said:

hard cap that is stupid lets just keep doing it how we are doing it. i took a lottery team to the eastern conference finals with the old rules. atlanta turned his team around completely. its about being a good gm. we dont need to make rules to favor certain teams, why should we baby the crappy teams and force the better teams to lose players.

everyone cried about the system last year and it still worked great in the offseason. everyone is expecting to get the best free agent on their team, when that just doesnt happen. big free agents almost never switch teams in real life, so why should they all have to on here? of course, some good players do, and they did on here as well. not everyone tried to keep all of their players for unreasonable prices last year, and everyone wont this year. last offseason went smooth except for when everyone was bitching about it, especially teams with cap space that think they can become contendors overnight. in real life, charlotte bobcats have a ton of cap space, do you think that means they can just sign lebron and wade in the offseason and then win the championship? dallas mavericks are way over the cap in the real nba, do you think that means they will just let josh howard walk?

also, if we make a hard cap, what about teams that are already over it? ill be over it and i wont have any free agents except for mo williams, so i will stay over it.

this is getting stupid, why change a good thing? i like the idea of getting rid of the crappy teams, if they are just going to sit around here and complain and not try to take the easy road to winning it, just get rid of them. all these new people want to come in here and force changes to make it easier for them to win, what about those of us who enjoy a good thing we have here and just want to continue as we have been?

i dont care for rules that are going to even the playing field. i worked hard on my team, i want to keep it. i dont want to win because i passed a rule that took out the big dogs and left my team high and mighty. i want to win because i made the right trades and signings that earned me a ring. detroit already won his ring, if he didnt already, he wouldnt be pushing for all of these changes. dont take away my chance because you already had yours.

Winning that championship has nothing to do with my beliefs. I like competition, I like changes (of players), and I like challenges. So what that I might lose Kobe, Garnett, Hinrich, and Diaw, or San Antonio might lose LeBron and Wade, or Miami might lose Chris Bosh and/or Chauncey Billups? Dont bitch about it and figure out a way to keep your team on top through other trades and FA signing. I started out with a fantastic team, San Antonio started out with the defending champs, so you can make an easy argument that we had to do the least work to get our teams here, considering we already had the players to trade. What separates the good GMs from the great GMs is how well that GM can adapt and change and mantain their team, despite loses on their roster, no matter how great or small.

Im up for that challenge.

[Orlando Magic]

pistons521 said:

mike said:

hard cap that is stupid lets just keep doing it how we are doing it. i took a lottery team to the eastern conference finals with the old rules. atlanta turned his team around completely. its about being a good gm. we dont need to make rules to favor certain teams, why should we baby the crappy teams and force the better teams to lose players.

everyone cried about the system last year and it still worked great in the offseason. everyone is expecting to get the best free agent on their team, when that just doesnt happen. big free agents almost never switch teams in real life, so why should they all have to on here? of course, some good players do, and they did on here as well. not everyone tried to keep all of their players for unreasonable prices last year, and everyone wont this year. last offseason went smooth except for when everyone was bitching about it, especially teams with cap space that think they can become contendors overnight. in real life, charlotte bobcats have a ton of cap space, do you think that means they can just sign lebron and wade in the offseason and then win the championship? dallas mavericks are way over the cap in the real nba, do you think that means they will just let josh howard walk?

also, if we make a hard cap, what about teams that are already over it? ill be over it and i wont have any free agents except for mo williams, so i will stay over it.

this is getting stupid, why change a good thing? i like the idea of getting rid of the crappy teams, if they are just going to sit around here and complain and not try to take the easy road to winning it, just get rid of them. all these new people want to come in here and force changes to make it easier for them to win, what about those of us who enjoy a good thing we have here and just want to continue as we have been?

i dont care for rules that are going to even the playing field. i worked hard on my team, i want to keep it. i dont want to win because i passed a rule that took out the big dogs and left my team high and mighty. i want to win because i made the right trades and signings that earned me a ring. detroit already won his ring, if he didnt already, he wouldnt be pushing for all of these changes. dont take away my chance because you already had yours.

Winning that championship has nothing to do with my beliefs. I like competition, I like changes (of players), and I like challenges. So what that I might lose Kobe, Garnett, Hinrich, and Diaw, or San Antonio might lose LeBron and Wade, or Miami might lose Chris Bosh and/or Chauncey Billups? Dont bitch about it and figure out a way to keep your team on top through other trades and FA signing. I started out with a fantastic team, San Antonio started out with the defending champs, so you can make an easy argument that we had to do the least work to get our teams here, considering we already had the players to trade. What separates the good GMs from the great GMs is how well that GM can adapt and change and mantain their team, despite loses on their roster, no matter how great or small.

Im up for that challenge.

yea, you want more competition because you've already been there, done that. you won already. there are 29 other teams who havent won. i am competitive too, i want to win this thing with the original rules, i dont want new rules to cater to me and allow me to win this easier. i dont need to be babied, i am going to be a champion. i am against the new rules not because they hurt me, they wont, but because they make it easier for me. i will not lose anyone this free agency except maybe maurice williams. look at the teams ahead of me though, san antonio will lose lebron and wade. you will lose someone like maybe garnett, maybe diaw, i dont know. miami will lose chauncey billups. chicago will lose josh howard. take away those people and im big dog. i dont want to win like that, i want to know i beat you are your own game.

also, if this goes through, most of us cant improve our team through free agency, i will have to sit through an entire offseason without making 1 signing because of a stupid cap. how lame. the knicks are way over the cap, but they still gave jarred jeffries a big contrat, and jerome james the year before that. why should we have to stop?

"What separates the good GMs from the great GMs is how well that GM can adapt and change and mantain their team, despite loses on their roster, no matter how great or small." That's not really true. The best GM in the league isn't going to be able to continue to make his team a contendor if the league, every year, makes new rules to weaken the best teams and help the worst teams. It is getting stupid.

[Orlando Magic]

and how long do these people have to vote

[Detroit Pistons]

mike said:

pistons521 said:

Winning that championship has nothing to do with my beliefs. I like competition, I like changes (of players), and I like challenges. So what that I might lose Kobe, Garnett, Hinrich, and Diaw, or San Antonio might lose LeBron and Wade, or Miami might lose Chris Bosh and/or Chauncey Billups? Dont bitch about it and figure out a way to keep your team on top through other trades and FA signing. I started out with a fantastic team, San Antonio started out with the defending champs, so you can make an easy argument that we had to do the least work to get our teams here, considering we already had the players to trade. What separates the good GMs from the great GMs is how well that GM can adapt and change and mantain their team, despite loses on their roster, no matter how great or small.

Im up for that challenge.

yea, you want more competition because you've already been there, done that. you won already. there are 29 other teams who havent won. i am competitive too, i want to win this thing with the original rules, i dont want new rules to cater to me and allow me to win this easier. i dont need to be babied, i am going to be a champion. i am against the new rules not because they hurt me, they wont, but because they make it easier for me. i will not lose anyone this free agency except maybe maurice williams. look at the teams ahead of me though, san antonio will lose lebron and wade. you will lose someone like maybe garnett, maybe diaw, i dont know. miami will lose chauncey billups. chicago will lose josh howard. take away those people and im big dog. i dont want to win like that, i want to know i beat you are your own game.

also, if this goes through, most of us cant improve our team through free agency, i will have to sit through an entire offseason without making 1 signing because of a stupid cap. how lame. the knicks are way over the cap, but they still gave jarred jeffries a big contrat, and jerome james the year before that. why should we have to stop?

"What separates the good GMs from the great GMs is how well that GM can adapt and change and mantain their team, despite loses on their roster, no matter how great or small." That's not really true. The best GM in the league isn't going to be able to continue to make his team a contendor if the league, every year, makes new rules to weaken the best teams and help the worst teams. It is getting stupid.

The new rules would hurt you like they hurt me. I dont lose Garnett or Kobe to free agency, I have them locked up for a few years. I lose them because of cap. I would need expiring contracts or cheap players to get under the cap, so I would have to get rid of my biggest salaries (Garnett 21 mil) and Kobe (17 mil). Diaw and Hinrich are my free agents at the end of this year. So I could possibly lose 4 starters by the end of the season, forcing me to a lineup of:

PG McInnis
SG Dixon
SF Artest
PF Mcdyess
C Ratliff

Most of the time the teams that were bad the year before have cap space to sign big free agents. Thats the whole point. Again, enforce a hard cap and dont allow teams to go over that to resign any of their FA. It would get rid of ridiculous contracts like Nazr Mohammed, Joel Pryzbilla, DeShawn Stevenson, Theo Ratliff, etc. when the good teams have absolutly no limit to what they can offer their players. Yeah I can only sign a player from another team the MLE, but as long as I can continue to trade, resign my own talent, and bring in decent talent the sky is the limit.

My idea works best for everyone and for the league, without having to do rediculous ideas like taking out people in this league. Honestly I believe our league needs minimum changes, not something as crazy as elimination. I believe, and I know, stricter FA rules and tighter trading rules (which have for the most part already been enforced. Trades that used to happen without a problem would never get finalized in our league today, like the LeBron trade or alot of other ones. So that is a big step forward) would be all we need.

You talk about not wanting to help the weaker teams (..."every year, makes new rules to weaken the best teams and help the worst teams. It is getting stupid."), well elimination is doing just that. In fact, SA is using that as a reason for doing elimination. In fact, I see no other reason in doing elimination then to make stronger teams throughout the league.

I see no reason to eliminate teams from a completly voluntary, supposedly fun, and hobby that is this GM league. And on top of that, I feel everything would work it out with stronger FA rules.

[Memphis Grizzlies]

we shouldnt have a fantasy draft we should have a hard cap so all those people like S.A. and detroit cant have everyone over the rating of 90 on their team

[Detroit Pistons]

well not just that, but to spread talent and force the powerhouse teams to give up big salaries. you can have the cheap players like LeBron and Wade on your team and still be under the cap. The problem is SA has Boozer, Mohammed, Duncan, Terry and a bunch of other players eating his cap. So its not about the rating, but about the salary

[New York Knicks]

I agree with what you guys are saying, but what about my situation, my team is full of over paid players.... i try to make deals but the contracts are too big or im getting offered a 2nd round pick and a bench player for maurbury... i want to get rid of the roses and maruburys and blounts but i had all these guys when i started and there was nothing i could do to get rid of them

[Utah Jazz]

cleveland23gm said:

I agree with what you guys are saying, but what about my situation, my team is full of over paid players.... i try to make deals but the contracts are too big or im getting offered a 2nd round pick and a bench player for maurbury... i want to get rid of the roses and maruburys and blounts but i had all these guys when i started and there was nothing i could do to get rid of them

Rose is expiring, and you could trade marbury if you really wanted, you just have to take less for him than full value. That's how being a Gm works. You'll be under the cap come offseason I think.